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blast off on another vip episode

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of hero podcast that's right my name is

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ryan the original

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outlaw of the airwaves broadcasting just

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south of area 51

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at the base of la madre mountain

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important stuff taking place

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a lot of neat things going on and i'm

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really

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excited about the compassion our guest

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has

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for uh today really cool stuff

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whether you're talking about what it is

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we don't know

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um and what it is we do know we're gonna

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try to get in the middle of

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all of that and concentrate on ufos

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the book is called ufos the real story

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paul has really crammed a lot of passion

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into this book answered a lot of

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questions and gotten deep and dirty into

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the entities involved

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we're going to try to do all of that as

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well with all the important information

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in this book

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but before we do i have to do this very

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shameless

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self-promotion if you haven't been to

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click that donate button and for the

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you're in the inside loop with that said

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paul askoff welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast my man this is great

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paul it's great to actually finally talk

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to you

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um i'm just i'm just amazed at your book

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and the way that you wrote it it the way

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you wrote it is so personable and so

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it's such a personal journey through

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the paranormal and i wanted to kind of

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start with i thought it was really cool

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that you had a graph

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of what you don't know you know

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what what you know and what you know you

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don't know

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and with that paul i wanted to ask you

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who is who is paul askoff

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and what first got you into ufos my man

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right

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um well basically i'm just a normal guy

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who well what can i say has had some

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fortunate uh experiences throughout my

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life

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that's led me to believe and think the

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way i do

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uh i've been in the medical field all my

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life however

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i think i'm a frustrated engineer really

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because what got me into the

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whole ball game if you like was a ufo

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sighting

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when i had around about my 11th birthday

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so many years ago and

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that's what kick-started it that's what

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got me on

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down the road to where i've led to

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one thing i think is very unique about

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your book is

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entities fascinate me entities of all

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sorts with the

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overwhelming amounts of reports of

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different entities i know you have

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theories

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variety of both craft and

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entities because you've had a few

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yeah they to me um

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right if would you like me to start with

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be a better way forward

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i think so i think that would be great

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our life that we are now

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to um if you can imagine an old vinyl

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living we are experiencing

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our life at the moment on the surface of

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that record

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to the center is purity if you like

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and to the edge is evil and all the

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grooves which the needle

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normally bounces along and plays the

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music and picks it up the stylist picks

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instead each groove is a life

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each groove is a lesson each groove

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is what you will experience and a way of

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to move forward and i think i personally

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that every single one of us are

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hopefully moving towards the center

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now the center is purity what some

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people may call god

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uh so it is and that's the crooks of the

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whole thing

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is we don't know we do not remember

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where we came from and that is the whole

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it's the way you think and the way you

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now that matters and the way you

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use well rather should i should say your

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morals and your ethics

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and how you treat your friends and

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family and those around you

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and that is what will get you to improve

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move towards the center in this life

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now i'm not saying that's an easy way of

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imagination

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but if you can just take that on board

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that it is by your you if if you knew

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where you came from and what you were

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it there'd be no point it's too easy

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therefore we are here now

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in the here and now with no knowledge of

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how we got here

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but it's the way that your thought

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processes work

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and the way that your mind thinks and

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relates with everything else

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so if you've got a bad attitude uh

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and would just say you unfortunately

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you'll still have a bad attitude on the

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other side

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you have to raise the game you have to

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raise your vibration you have to raise

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the frequency of which you resonate and

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it's only by your

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own effort and by being able to marshal

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your thoughts and

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really think about it and i believe

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it's natural when you help somebody

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you get a good feeling because that is

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gets you maybe in front for the short

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term but in the long term

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it doesn't help you at all does that

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it makes a ton of sense it's better to

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get that

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full engagement for the correct purposes

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the other side creeps in and i don't

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know how else to explain it

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and i want i wanted to ask you this book

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of yours is amazing you

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the you have a series of events one is

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one in particular that drew my attention

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that i have to ask you because i was so

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fascinated by reading about it was

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valkenberg

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uh can you go a little bit into that

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sure i can yeah um i i believe right

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this the i'll just digress very slightly

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if you imagine this the one record that

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that is at our frequency that we

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see we hear we interact with everything

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and everyone around us

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however there are a whole stack of

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in this stack of records you are going

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to get lower frequencies

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and you're going to get higher

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frequencies and this is how i believe

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the it's the what

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could i say the whole of the

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electromagnetic spectrum but we're only

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scraping the surface off at the moment

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that is how we if you like react

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and why we get this slight overlap

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we had an exchange with another high

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germany so they used to come over and

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they'd take us places around germany

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wall side was a toilet so on the last

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i am in as you come looking at the

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building i was on the top floor on the

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i'm over there and this night the girls

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are saying all these funny noises this

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this so one of the other guys say oh

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as sort of a written rule if you like we

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weren't allowed to mix in the

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dormitories the boys weren't allowed in

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the girls dome which is

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vice versa so one of them comes over the

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girls are frank

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there's something going on in their room

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so always like no they won't be so usual

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teenage bravado you go and you stand in

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the door of the room because you're not

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allowed inside

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i was stood at the door of the room and

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the door opened to my right

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and then i'm looking down the length of

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this rectangular room

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straight in front of me is one window

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and on the outside wall to my left are

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two windows

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and the toilet was almost behind me and

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girls would say six or eight beds

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something like that and they were all

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in bed with the covers up around the

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chimneys looking friend

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so i'm saying what's the matter or

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there's somebody knocking on the wall so

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thinking as i'm thinking

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nobody can be knocking on the wall we

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were even above the trees there were no

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okay electricity cables there was

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nothing that could be near

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and literally as i'm thinking this there

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was a knock

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on the wall and it was directly in front

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of me

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to the right-hand side of the far window

288
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and it was for all the world like

289
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somebody was like like we were on the

290
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ground floor and somebody was

291
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knocking really hard with the knuckles

292
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on the outside of the building

293
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so i'm thinking well that definitely

294
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isn't nice in the walls or whatever it

295
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could have been

296
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and they all the girls agreed oh that's

297
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the noise that's the noise

298
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so i'm saying no be quiet listen listen

299
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and it stopped and then it knocked again

300
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at the other side of the window

301
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near the corner of the building and i'm

302
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thinking

303
00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:10,240
this is very strange and it was quite

304
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loud it was a

305
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really solid knock then it moved down

306
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the outside of the building to my left

307
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and it's

308
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gradually moving down either side of the

309
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windows slowly getting

310
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towards me it got where it knocked all

311
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the way around the outside

312
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to the end of their room and then on the

313
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landing where the toilet was

314
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the toilet had a window that was one

315
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which uh

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hinged that the hinges were at the top

317
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and you push the latch out to leave it

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open

319
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which we have done the knocking went all

320
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the way around the room

321
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then stopped and then as we stood there

322
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thinking is that it

323
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the toilet window banged closed

324
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and all the girls jumped and i as i

325
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looked back in the room

326
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right to my right and in front of me is

327
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the door open against their wall

328
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and the side of it was a light switch

329
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and it was one of the old-fashioned

330
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toggle light switches

331
00:13:06,069 --> 00:13:05,519
and as i'm looking in the room the light

332
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switch

333
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itself went up with its own accord and

334
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all the lights went down

335
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so all the girls screamed my hair stood

336
00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:15,120
on end

337
00:13:20,150 --> 00:13:17,120
but quite as i think just a natural

338
00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:20,160
reaction i flipped the light back on and

339
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thankfully they came back on and the

340
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girls are crying

341
00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:26,079
what's happening all the rest of it uh i

342
00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:26,880
thought

343
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there's more to this than me today we

344
00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:30,720
better go and get one of the teachers

345
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so i went to got one of the teachers and

346
00:13:38,629 --> 00:13:35,279
their teacher stayed in the girls room

347
00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:38,639
but nothing else happened but from

348
00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:41,839
a paranormal point of view obviously in

349
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retrospect because as a teenager you're

350
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not

351
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sort of thinking straight as you were

352
00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:47,760
anyway but

353
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from a paranormal point of view i would

354
00:13:57,430 --> 00:13:54,240
say that as a building that gets

355
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hundreds and more constantly i would say

356
00:14:01,030 --> 00:13:59,760
almost constantly full of teenage

357
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children

358
00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:03,839
it would be quite logical to have some

359
00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:04,320
uh

360
00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:07,519
maybe poltergeist activity and it was

361
00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:08,639
really

362
00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:13,199
that it would be something that

363
00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:15,920
has been investigated by any local

364
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panorama group

365
00:14:21,189 --> 00:14:20,000
it's my belief as well that areas where

366
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paranormal groups

367
00:14:25,670 --> 00:14:24,480
typically hang out and investigate to

368
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:25,680
observe

369
00:14:32,949 --> 00:14:28,959
typically are the ones that

370
00:14:36,069 --> 00:14:32,959
retain somehow that elementally retain

371
00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:36,079
that energy a bit of that is in your

372
00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:38,079
book you have experiences personal

373
00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:39,839
experiences

374
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:41,760
your book touches on a variety of

375
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:43,600
subjects which are right up my alley but

376
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,279
one that touches me near and dear

377
00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:47,519
are cattle mutilations governments

378
00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:48,639
collusion

379
00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,959
stealth black projects technologies and

380
00:14:54,550 --> 00:14:52,320
theories

381
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:54,560
involving human interaction with

382
00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:55,600
entities

383
00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:57,519
that are not like ourselves can you

384
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:58,639
explain what

385
00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:00,480
what your opinion is on whether

386
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:02,639
collusion has taken place at some level

387
00:15:09,269 --> 00:15:05,839
with non-human entities

388
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,279
yeah um i believe that we've had uh

389
00:15:13,829 --> 00:15:12,240
if right if i just go back briefly to

390
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:13,839
the analogy of the records

391
00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:16,560
of course there's a stack of records on

392
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:18,399
different frequencies

393
00:15:24,069 --> 00:15:21,600
and i believe the et

394
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:24,079
inhabit the higher frequencies you

395
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:24,800
imagine

396
00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:28,160
a race how far we've come in the last

397
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:29,519
hundred years

398
00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:33,040
where maybe i don't know one percent of

399
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:34,800
people where you live now ryan

400
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,959
may have had a motor vehicle of some

401
00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:37,920
description

402
00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:39,519
and the ones that could afford it went

403
00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:41,920
on the railroad but the majority of

404
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:44,000
people were lucky if they had a horse

405
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:46,240
so look how far we've come in the last

406
00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:47,759
100 years where

407
00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:50,560
everybody has a vehicle everybody's got

408
00:15:54,629 --> 00:15:52,240
access to the internet

409
00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:54,639
and how much we've moved forward so you

410
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:56,240
imagine a race that maybe a

411
00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:58,880
thousand years or even 10 000 years in

412
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:00,000
front of us

413
00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:04,240
so those higher records those higher

414
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:06,240
frequencies within the stack of records

415
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:09,279
i believe are inhabited by many

416
00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:11,199
different types of

417
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:13,360
et that i'll just say that visitors for

418
00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:16,000
want of a better word

419
00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:18,600
that completely control the

420
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:21,040
electromagnetic spectrum

421
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:24,959
and they have been visiting us since

422
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:27,759
we were named before if you like but

423
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:29,839
since we were on this planet

424
00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:32,959
but it's because of the

425
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:35,120
frequencies that there are it's the same

426
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:36,399
as spirit

427
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:38,560
the same as a lot of things that we

428
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:39,839
experience all

429
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:43,199
but there's no proof of even now

430
00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:46,800
mainstream media any

431
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:50,320
stories on ufos any stories on psychic

432
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:51,360
phenomenon

433
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:54,560
any spoke any stories on ghosts

434
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:57,519
the treaters if you like the comedy at

435
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:58,880
the end of the main news

436
00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:01,120
it's like a tongue-in-cheek look at

437
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:02,320
something and it's still

438
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:09,909
going on since we've ever been here and

439
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,720
because it's on a completely different

440
00:17:18,150 --> 00:17:14,720
frequency to us

441
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:18,160
we at the moment do not have the

442
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:22,000
uh capability to measure it to tune it

443
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:25,280
it if if uh if you let me explain

444
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:28,319
uh it may be easier yes yes

445
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:31,679
you imagine at the moment uh we're on

446
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:32,000
our

447
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:34,960
record and you have the higher

448
00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:37,280
frequencies which are radio waves

449
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:39,200
that we're using now and then it comes

450
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:40,880
down through the infrared

451
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:44,240
and then we have our acoustic visible

452
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:44,880
light

453
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:47,840
that we can see in news every day and

454
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:48,960
then it goes down through the

455
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:50,080
ultraviolet

456
00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:52,640
and then x-rays and gamma rays now that

457
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:53,440
is

458
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:56,960
ordinary matter that we are in control

459
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:59,280
of to a certain extent and that is

460
00:18:04,029 --> 00:18:00,400
ordinary matter

461
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:04,039
that we are aware of now that's what

462
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,360
99.999 percent of us use under aware of

463
00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:09,039
on a daily basis

464
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:11,919
however if you would imagine a lot of

465
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:12,240
the

466
00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:16,080
cosmologists and well people with much

467
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:17,919
better brains than i

468
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:20,080
um the astronomers and all these people

469
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,600
the scientists

470
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,640
are thinking now that the majority the

471
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:26,000
vast majority

472
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:28,880
of the universe and energy within it is

473
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:29,679
made up

474
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:33,120
of dark matter and dark energy

475
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,480
and you hear estimations between 75 and

476
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:38,320
95

477
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:41,280
which means our visible light and

478
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:43,280
acoustic spectrum that we deal with all

479
00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:44,640
the time

480
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:47,440
is actually only one tenth or less than

481
00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:48,240
one tenth

482
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:53,120
of one percent

483
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:56,559
of the five percent that we know about

484
00:19:03,430 --> 00:18:59,840
so there's all that huge huge spectrum

485
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:03,440
that we have no idea exists and what i

486
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:04,160
believe

487
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:07,919
is that et i'll use that phrase for the

488
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:11,120
time being are absolute masters

489
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:14,160
of the whole of the spectrum they can

490
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:15,280
control it

491
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:18,320
they're aware of it and they use it to

492
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:19,039
their

493
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:21,760
advantage so they can move and come and

494
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:22,160
go

495
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,760
as they wish to and we have no idea that

496
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,120
they're even there

497
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,039
and i think they are around us and it's

498
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,039
going on all the time

499
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:34,320
constantly yes and you're

500
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:37,760
you're i love how well i wanna i wanna

501
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:38,799
tantalize

502
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,440
listeners with a bit of some of the

503
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:42,640
personal stories

504
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,600
that you have in the book uh one

505
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:47,600
particular story if you don't mind me

506
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:48,960
kind of just mentioning it

507
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,760
is one that stood out to me was one

508
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:53,039
encountered

509
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,880
in the 80s you were about to walk your

510
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,120
dog i believe you were with your wife

511
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,200
and a bit of an experience that if it

512
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:01,840
isn't digging too deeply

513
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:05,200
uh can we go into that a little

514
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:08,400
sure we can yeah um i was living in a

515
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:11,280
a small town in north yorkshire at the

516
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:12,240
time

517
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:14,000
um as you're looking if i'm out of

518
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,520
england need to be somewhere in the

519
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:16,640
center but

520
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:18,400
three quarters of the way over towards

521
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:20,080
the east coast

522
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:23,360
and my wife was uh

523
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:26,000
outside and we had a huge dog a pyrenees

524
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:27,200
mountain dog

525
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,200
and he wanted a walk and he needed to be

526
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,960
brushed and that was my

527
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:33,120
job for the evening if you like and i

528
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,480
was in the kitchen

529
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,240
and my wife was in the backyard with the

530
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:38,640
dog and she sheltered paw paw

531
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,520
come here look and i went outside and

532
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,440
she's pointing up in the sky

533
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,679
and up in the sky was what i can only

534
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:47,280
describe as

535
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,720
car headlights if you look at the an old

536
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:51,520
car as well

537
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,720
an old car through fog and you can only

538
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:56,320
see the headlights but you can't see

539
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,520
anything else

540
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,919
it appeared like that and these

541
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:02,080
headlights what i can describe were

542
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:03,520
quite high in the sky

543
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,440
moving slowly over the house towards us

544
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:10,000
now we and our boys were there and we

545
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,280
had two small boys

546
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:13,039
they came out so the four of us are

547
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,480
stood in the backyard with the dog

548
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:17,200
with our heads up looking at this thing

549
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,679
now

550
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:19,520
they didn't change they didn't appear to

551
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,400
be anything connecting them

552
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,919
but they stayed in the same relative

553
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,159
position and they moved until they were

554
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:29,200
practically vertically directly overhead

555
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,159
to us

556
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,880
there was no noise throughout uh there

557
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:34,720
was no apparent rotation

558
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,200
no strobe lights no anything there were

559
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:38,799
just literally a light

560
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:41,280
a very bright and very odd light in the

561
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,240
sky

562
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:44,400
and then as they got almost directly

563
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:45,280
overhead

564
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,799
they suddenly in the same direction

565
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,200
flew off having zoomed off literally out

566
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,280
of sight within two seconds

567
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,799
uh and the first thing that crossed my

568
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,400
mind it was like uh

569
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,960
warped five to 10 scotty was sort of

570
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,559
watching star trek and he

571
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,159
he sort of pressed the button and off it

572
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:04,640
went and they flew out of sight and that

573
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,280
was it and

574
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,880
we all we were stood there and it was

575
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,799
like wow uh

576
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,559
but that was it they've gone and no

577
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,000
sound at all

578
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,080
so i said right i'll take the dog for a

579
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,440
walk and i'll give him a brush

580
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,919
so dutifully takes the dog took me time

581
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,440
maybe 30 minutes

582
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:22,159
somewhere there abouts and as i came

583
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,440
back in the yard

584
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,360
fastened the gate and was going to push

585
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,440
the dog and as i did so i spent more

586
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:29,039
time looking at the sky than

587
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,640
taking any notice of where the dog was

588
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,159
going

589
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,640
and as i did so these two lights came

590
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:35,440
back

591
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:38,640
so from disappearing the first time to

592
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,520
coming back um

593
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,200
from disappearing the first time to

594
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,280
coming back

595
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,400
are you there ryan is that okay yep i

596
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,919
hear you you betcha

597
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,400
oh okay sorry uh there was maybe a

598
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,760
40-minute gap

599
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,919
between seeing them shoot off in one

600
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,080
direction and then come back

601
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,799
the opposite way now this time they

602
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,640
still appeared the same it was still

603
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:06,480
just two lights next to each other in

604
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,440
the sky

605
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:10,320
and they came over us this time moving

606
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:11,440
slowly

607
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,880
and it just continued at that pace until

608
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,159
they disappeared out of

609
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,480
over the overhead and then until they

610
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,919
disappeared outside and we couldn't see

611
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:21,440
them anymore

612
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:24,880
now we was like really doomed

613
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:28,080
because they were all something odd uh

614
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:31,919
not normal terrestrial aircraft and

615
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,039
years later uh i was with

616
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,200
philip mantle i was in buford oh cool

617
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,200
and i was one of their investigators

618
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,600
and timmy mantle was at the time the

619
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,440
director investigations

620
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,200
and didn't live too far from me and we

621
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,600
were in a cup of tea in his home

622
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:50,400
and as i'm narrating the story to him he

623
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:51,279
said

624
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,960
i can tell you when that was paul and i

625
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:54,960
went really and he said

626
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,559
it was july 1984 and he was like

627
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,480
how do you know that anyway because i

628
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,000
saw them too

629
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,960
and it was really um it turned out

630
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,320
philip had been working

631
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,520
in a factory in morley just about five

632
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:11,120
miles south of leeds

633
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,799
and he lived in east hardly at the time

634
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:14,720
which is unlike a high ridge

635
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,840
on a the local sort of freeway the m622

636
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:20,240
that goes by our homes

637
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,840
and he he came out to go back and as he

638
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,880
did so

639
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:27,120
uh he saw these two lights in the sky

640
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,240
and he said

641
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,400
well what's that they shouldn't be there

642
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,039
so he said i drove out out of the town

643
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:35,200
he says inconveniently or it's a spot

644
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,400
where there was a

645
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,960
like a lay by the side of the of the

646
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,679
road

647
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,679
where the buses would pull in and he

648
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,159
says i stopped there and got out and was

649
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,600
looking at these lights

650
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,120
and he said and you could see over the

651
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,279
whole of leeds because leeds itself is

652
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,039
like in a ball

653
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,120
and there were these lights within the

654
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,880
distance and he said

655
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,640
the same as that he said it was like two

656
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,400
lights at the side of each other

657
00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:00,720
very odd and he said do you know paul

658
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,440
they were

659
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:04,480
reported several times from the east

660
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,440
coast

661
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:07,200
right over to where we saw them in

662
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,400
league he says and there was more than

663
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,600
messi

664
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,600
and at the time he was in a west

665
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,440
yorkshire ufo group

666
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,840
and he said we had many sightings that

667
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,640
were reported to the group at the time

668
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,039
wow that was quite good because it was

669
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,799
nice to get some cooperative evidence

670
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,480
that it wasn't just me that was seeing

671
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,919
these things

672
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:28,400
right and it's it's strange because this

673
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,200
book

674
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:31,200
more than any other in my opinion brings

675
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,400
together different

676
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,640
aspects of the paranormal and brings

677
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:36,240
them together in a way that's easily

678
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,200
understood

679
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:39,520
the book uh i don't even know if we've

680
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,039
said the title yet ufos the real story

681
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,279
i wanted to delve into another aspect

682
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,039
that you do delve into in the book and

683
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:49,120
that's realities and electromagnetic

684
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,080
frequencies and

685
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,480
inner i guess for lack of a better word

686
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,080
what do we call these beings is it

687
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,720
interdimensional beings or how do we

688
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,840
how how i feel like it's when we go to

689
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,200
space

690
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,360
but on an exponential basis when we're

691
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,279
dealing with these beings because

692
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,400
here we send things to mars for example

693
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,559
and we don't know if there's anything

694
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,760
over there that may

695
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:14,159
see this as different in the uintah

696
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:15,520
basin of utah

697
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,960
which is very highly strange many times

698
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,960
one can witness what's known as ball

699
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,600
lightning and in your book you discuss

700
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:25,279
ball lightning and in fact you delve

701
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,240
into

702
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,559
paul devereaux's which i was amazed uh

703
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,159
book earth lights

704
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:33,120
can we explain some of the theories

705
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:33,919
behind

706
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,600
how that may just explain many sightings

707
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:40,400
yeah uh and i think it does the paul

708
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,960
deborah

709
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,520
was fortunate to meet uh he lectured at

710
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,039
one of the bufora

711
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:48,159
uh annual conferences and i met him

712
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:51,760
but paul sort of he thought that they

713
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:54,159
it explained all the ufo sightings type

714
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:54,960
of thing

715
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,159
and i said no because right yes i will

716
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,960
to some extent agree that it could

717
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,600
explain

718
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,240
quite a number of ufo sightings but his

719
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,240
theory was that it was piezoelectric

720
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,279
phenomenon

721
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,320
that was uh generated and it was a

722
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,159
piezoelectric effect where

723
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,440
it if you like generated unstable

724
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:17,360
electrical energy as a plasma

725
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:20,320
and that until it burned itself out

726
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:21,440
that's what people

727
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,640
saw now i actually um

728
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,600
while i was investigating from euphoria

729
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:29,520
in our big city in leeds

730
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:33,279
quite close to where i live now um a guy

731
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:36,960
um came to me um i went to his home and

732
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:37,440
he

733
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:41,200
had seen a six-foot orange ball

734
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,480
of light move across the

735
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,399
sort of inner ring road around the city

736
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,320
center across the main roads

737
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,000
and then it just disappeared with the

738
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:51,919
pop and i said

739
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,080
at the time i believe that he was very

740
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,679
fortunate i said i don't think it's a

741
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,480
ufo

742
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,640
but i think you're very very fortunate

743
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:01,600
that you have

744
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:05,360
seen first hand something like this piso

745
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,399
electric effect

746
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,320
because you do get a lot of instances

747
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,679
and there are a few

748
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:12,080
in different places around the world

749
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:13,120
where

750
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,600
these are quite prevalent shall we say

751
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:20,000
and he was just fortunate that he was

752
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,200
there at that time

753
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,840
now one of the things which i believe

754
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,520
quite fervently is

755
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,760
if you go back to the analogy of the

756
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:28,559
record

757
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,159
it love it they're all

758
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,480
on a different frequency within this

759
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,080
dark energy

760
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,360
therefore you will have

761
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,200
if you wish to call it that parallel

762
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,720
dimensions

763
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,480
which are quite real to them when

764
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:45,919
they're in them that

765
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:49,120
are alongside ours now

766
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,480
if for an argument say you are an 80

767
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:55,039
that are fully in control of this you

768
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,399
know how to use it

769
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,080
you're fully in control of it you know

770
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,520
what to manipulate it

771
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,760
you can move down and skip down between

772
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:03,919
the records and between the frequencies

773
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,720
visit us and then skip back up again

774
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:07,679
sure and

775
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,039
i believe that that is how spirit works

776
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,039
and now

777
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:15,679
to some extent there are places in the

778
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,159
world

779
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,720
we'll just use skin water ranch in your

780
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:21,600
neck of the woods and there are places

781
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,200
in the uk where um well

782
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,919
for that matter there are places all

783
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,279
over the world

784
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,320
where you will get these high

785
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:33,760
strangeness places

786
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:37,520
and if you like the oz effect as

787
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,720
i believe it was jack belized was

788
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,399
where you get these where the records

789
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:43,760
are very close together

790
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,480
and you get a lot of unexplained

791
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:49,200
phenomenon a lot of paranormal activity

792
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:52,960
and a lot of sightings of ufos

793
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,799
absolutely and that's exactly you know

794
00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:00,000
your book goes into so many of these uh

795
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,360
things and i'm glad that you mentioned

796
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,200
valet i know that you're

797
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,120
you you studied and researched his work

798
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:07,520
deeply so many of your stories

799
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:10,799
hit me deeply uh very personal accounts

800
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,520
often with family members or friends and

801
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,640
authentically

802
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,640
exactly how it really happens in my

803
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,559
opinion which is why

804
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,960
i loved your title ufo's the real story

805
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:22,320
you go into

806
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:27,200
to ufologists such as john greenwald in

807
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:28,080
the book

808
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,440
and others which i thought was so

809
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:31,279
complementary and deserved

810
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,640
i wanted to ask you um this gradual

811
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,440
drip style disclosure which it seems

812
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,640
we're having

813
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:41,200
is it what is taking place or are we

814
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,559
looking at something completely

815
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,880
different in your opinion

816
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:47,600
yeah i think in my opinion it's been

817
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,559
very difficult

818
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:51,840
for more recently obviously for

819
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:54,159
the authorities to keep a lid on

820
00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,520
disclosure

821
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:58,240
now you think about this they've been

822
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:58,960
had

823
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,000
tightly done disclosure since 1952 i

824
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,519
believe it was

825
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,960
and from 1952 so we're talking almost 70

826
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,000
years

827
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,039
they've kept everything under wraps and

828
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,760
poo pooled everything discredited

829
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:15,279
everything and everybody

830
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,960
that's obscene ufos so the majority of

831
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:20,880
the population

832
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,480
ufos unless you physically see something

833
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:27,039
uh as the first sighting that i did

834
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,000
unless you

835
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,399
see something that's so for once of a

836
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,519
better term

837
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,480
alien and because it's so odd and so

838
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,360
bizarre

839
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,240
that it can't be anything else unless

840
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:40,240
you get to that stage unless you see

841
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,440
something like that

842
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,679
it just because it's not on the news

843
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,960
it's not accepted by

844
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,720
science you don't see it in the

845
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,039
mainstream media so people

846
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,440
aren't even aware that this is going on

847
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:53,840
around them all the time

848
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,200
and they yet we do have people like john

849
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,960
greenwald we have people like

850
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:01,200
jack valley and we have some fantastic

851
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,080
authors

852
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,240
that are doing a lot of work behind the

853
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,399
scenes that don't get the credit they

854
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:07,760
deserve

855
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,559
and what i've tried to do in my book is

856
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,559
where people tend to do

857
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,640
we'll just say for an argument say uh

858
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,080
the roswell incident

859
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,640
or they might do randallson forest or

860
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,720
you know the belgian ufo wave or

861
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,039
one is zamora and the socorro source of

862
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:24,799
them this all

863
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,240
they all give a slice of the pie

864
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,080
and what i was trying to do with my

865
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:32,720
experiences on the paranormal as well as

866
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,760
on the youthful side of things because i

867
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,480
believe that this is how it works they

868
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,000
are all tied together

869
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,640
and what i've tried to do is show that

870
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:44,000
these

871
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:47,840
people have

872
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,679
can be related they can't work where

873
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,720
that they are connected and people say

874
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,360
oh no i only deal with the paranormal or

875
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,840
only i only do ufo sightings or

876
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,480
well i'm sorry but it's still part of

877
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,880
that electromagnetic spectrum

878
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,679
and it's the same with cryptids i

879
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,640
believe

880
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:11,919
that cryptids uh bigfoot sasquatch

881
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,039
is exactly the same they're not quite

882
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,840
on our record they may be on the record

883
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:19,840
underneath or the record above

884
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,159
and in the right circumstances we're

885
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:24,000
able to tune into it and unable to pick

886
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,640
it up

887
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,960
and unable to see them and we have that

888
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,080
interaction

889
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,960
same as we do if you see a ufo the same

890
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,200
as if people see spirit

891
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:36,480
and that is when they overlap

892
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,640
now one other thing on this which uh

893
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,360
i think is what ways would you like me

894
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,120
to explain how i think

895
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:48,000
the i've got evidence for this how it

896
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,200
works

897
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,320
yes please absolutely yeah

898
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,279
the one of the things that we'll just

899
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,519
use the there was a gaffney incident

900
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,320
there was

901
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,519
uh gaffney in the usa there were

902
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,679
two incidences one was with the police

903
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,360
where police were chasing a light

904
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,840
and another one was a couple and they

905
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,800
initially

906
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,800
were driving along the country road out

907
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,280
of the town and they saw

908
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:16,480
what they took to be a transparent disc

909
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,159
shaped object and it was hovering

910
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,000
or getting closer to them above some

911
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,720
trees now as it got close to the trees

912
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:26,560
it became more solid

913
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,679
but the trees caught fire

914
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:32,240
and they didn't have it in sight for

915
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,280
long

916
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:36,079
it shut off they reported it to the

917
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,200
authorities

918
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,520
the fire service came and put up the

919
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,599
fire the police came and took the

920
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:43,520
statement but that was basically the end

921
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:44,240
of it

922
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,679
but what it does show that is a

923
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,560
if you want the better term a craft is

924
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:52,240
moving down through

925
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,520
the infrared spectrum infrared sorry

926
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:56,480
electromagnetic spectrum

927
00:35:03,109 --> 00:34:59,839
to us and two more visible lights the

928
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,119
parts of the visible

929
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:06,480
light to infrared which is right next to

930
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,119
us

931
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:09,200
which would generate heat which would

932
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,720
explain

933
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,880
how the trees caught fire why the fire

934
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:15,280
service had to put them out

935
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:18,000
uh but also in the uk the uh one that

936
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,400
was

937
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:21,040
investigated by malcolm robinson which

938
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:21,599
was the

939
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:25,440
deck woods incident in november 1979

940
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,640
where robert taylor the forestry worker

941
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:31,440
initially saw a craft that was on the

942
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,320
ground

943
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,640
and was transparent he could see through

944
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:36,880
it and it was only when it

945
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,320
became solid that it really realized

946
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,680
what it was and there was something

947
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,520
there now

948
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:46,079
this is easily explained if you like

949
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,119
because

950
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,960
they're moving through the spectrum they

951
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,320
have control of it

952
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,280
and they're moving into our world if you

953
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:55,839
like and onto our plane of the record

954
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,720
and so they become visible to where we

955
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:00,800
can interact with them

956
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,560
and now i'm sorry oh no i just love your

957
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,800
your record analogy is so much better

958
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,800
than so many others but keep going keep

959
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:09,920
going please

960
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,839
oh okay well that was another thing it

961
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,520
was trying to find something

962
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,440
but because what i've tried to do people

963
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:19,680
tend to try and write things

964
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,280
in scientific terms and for anybody that

965
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:26,400
myself included that picks a book up if

966
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,359
you can

967
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:29,599
if you don't find it entertaining if you

968
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,560
don't find it

969
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,160
that you're struggling to understand

970
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,320
part of it that's it it just gets thrown

971
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,839
on the book pile and you don't pick it

972
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,720
up again

973
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:39,520
and what i tried to do was put it in a a

974
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:40,240
normal

975
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,599
layman's language rather than trying to

976
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:45,680
paint boggle people's minds with science

977
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,079
which

978
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:49,599
doesn't often work so one other thing

979
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:50,079
which

980
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,320
think is

981
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,760
really interesting now abductees will

982
00:37:02,950 --> 00:36:59,440
often report

983
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:02,960
complete silence and i mean absolute

984
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,599
silence

985
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,960
they can't hear traffic in the

986
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:07,200
background they can't hear the wind they

987
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,640
don't hear the birds in the trees

988
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,960
they said there was absolutely nothing

989
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,240
and that is because

990
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:15,440
again they they themselves

991
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,520
are being tuned out of their frequency

992
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:22,400
so there is no acoustic normal frequency

993
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,119
to hear

994
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:26,400
because they're not there and that is i

995
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,280
believe what

996
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:30,560
this we have a built-in what can i say

997
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:34,079
panic button if you like where the human

998
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:35,119
body

999
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,800
on a mechanical and chemical

1000
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:40,880
reaction to things you will normally

1001
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:43,839
have the fight or flight syndrome

1002
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,720
that is at one level but i also think

1003
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:48,839
your subconscious

1004
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:52,000
on an electromagnetic level

1005
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:55,440
will recognize that it's not vibrating

1006
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,720
where it should be

1007
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:59,040
and that's when you get this terror

1008
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,839
where

1009
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:02,160
people become very frightened and very

1010
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:03,200
afraid

1011
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,720
with anything like this and it's

1012
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,800
what people experience both with the

1013
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:10,240
paranormal

1014
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:14,320
with bigfoot and sasquatch encounters

1015
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,599
and also with the ufos and the

1016
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,079
and people have this visceral terror and

1017
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,160
i think that part of it could be

1018
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,359
because your frequency your body

1019
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,599
everything has that frequency and it

1020
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,720
recognizes

1021
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,440
that it's not where it should be it's

1022
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:33,440
been taken off the record where you

1023
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,240
should be and

1024
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,880
it sort of your subconscious your soul

1025
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:37,839
if you like

1026
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,560
is aware that it's not where it should

1027
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:42,560
be does that make sense

1028
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,680
oh yeah that uncomfortableness yeah and

1029
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,720
yeah

1030
00:38:50,349 --> 00:38:48,480
you you had some really interesting

1031
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,359
things in the book about dreams of

1032
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:52,800
explosions well not really dreams but

1033
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:53,119
like

1034
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:56,000
lucid experiences while in a mine that's

1035
00:39:12,550 --> 00:38:56,480
a

1036
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,560
these experiences just in in my

1037
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,079
experience

1038
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,240
just kind of provide the foundation to

1039
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,839
the deeper questions

1040
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:20,640
and i really want to get into ufos the

1041
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:21,440
in the book you

1042
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,040
you quote one of my favorite guys for

1043
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,200
quotes which is leonardo da vinci

1044
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,520
with the saying or the quoting the

1045
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,880
noblest pleasure

1046
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,800
is the joy of understanding which it

1047
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,040
just sounds like a ufologist to me and

1048
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,320
da vinci's quote um blasts off your

1049
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:41,359
your ufo section in the book and you

1050
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,079
touch

1051
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:44,640
on and have great illustrations of the

1052
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,520
classic

1053
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:48,480
ufo styles depicted in the bible what

1054
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,280
are

1055
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:51,520
we looking at in these images in your

1056
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:53,119
opinion

1057
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,599
typical ufo encounters and they haven't

1058
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:00,960
changed over the years

1059
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:04,880
yes you go through phases of uh

1060
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,680
maybe hockey puck shaped ones and then

1061
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,160
you'll get football shaped walls and

1062
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,960
cylindrical ones triangular ones are all

1063
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:14,480
the rage at the moment

1064
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:17,599
right you still the last two that i've

1065
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,640
actually seen

1066
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:21,359
as a physical thing one was hockey puck

1067
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,920
shaped

1068
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,240
and there were five adults saw that and

1069
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,000
then the last one i saw with my wife

1070
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:27,760
that i had photographed on

1071
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,319
uh was like well what you would call an

1072
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:32,000
american football we would call the

1073
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,880
rugby ball

1074
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,800
right it was vertical like the point at

1075
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,400
the top on the bottom

1076
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,560
uh and that was traveling quickly

1077
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:40,079
against the wind

1078
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,079
and really high and shiny shiny

1079
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,200
so bright um and we had that in sight

1080
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,400
for maybe

1081
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:50,079
a few minutes enough for me to get in

1082
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,359
the house and take a good picture of it

1083
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,040
and when i did the top of it was

1084
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,720
actually

1085
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,440
sort of it looked as if it was shrouded

1086
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:00,800
in

1087
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,040
was

1088
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,560
you know giving off something if you

1089
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:08,880
like you bet

1090
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:12,640
or reacting but to go um

1091
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:15,760
further on with the magnetic field

1092
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,200
i think that if you go back to

1093
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:22,240
ufos with e.t

1094
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:25,839
being able to control it that is how

1095
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:29,200
they can immediately you if anybody

1096
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,079
that's done any

1097
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,720
proper investigative work they will tell

1098
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:33,359
you

1099
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:36,720
that they have odd memories now i came

1100
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:37,520
across this

1101
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,280
with delores cannon uh bud hopkins and

1102
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,280
more recently kathmarden

1103
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:46,160
and they all say the same thing and i

1104
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,560
mean

1105
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:49,119
bud hopkins i was very fortunate to meet

1106
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,560
him lovely man

1107
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,440
and i were he came over one year for a

1108
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,440
view for a conference

1109
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,119
and i was arranging the guys the

1110
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,800
speakers getting them to and from the

1111
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,000
stage

1112
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:02,720
i was fortunate to have lunch with but

1113
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,119
uh

1114
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,800
and he says paulie says i didn't get he

1115
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,800
said i had no interested in ufos

1116
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,599
he says i was an artist they said but i

1117
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,760
wanted to i said i got into

1118
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,640
hypnotherapy uh as a way of the

1119
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,720
counseling almost as a way of helping

1120
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:18,000
people

1121
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,560
different walks of life

1122
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,040
different experiences he said you know

1123
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,200
from very wealthy to very poor people

1124
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,440
and whatever geographical location they

1125
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:31,599
came from he said but oh where in the

1126
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,160
world

1127
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,400
but they were all telling me the same

1128
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,319
thing and he said i thought there's got

1129
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:38,240
to be more to this there's got to be

1130
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,280
more

1131
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:41,839
than people who have been led to believe

1132
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,560
and that's how

1133
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,839
bud became if you like converted to the

1134
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:46,800
cause

1135
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,079
to it and

1136
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:53,119
yeah the one thing that

1137
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:56,800
stuck in my mind was how

1138
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:00,240
all of these people say that the ufo

1139
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,240
can be uh if you like controlled by

1140
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,440
fort e.t controls their vehicles by

1141
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:08,880
thought

1142
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:12,079
therefore everything's done it's an

1143
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,800
energy

1144
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,880
the way where you're sat now right in

1145
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:16,560
front of the computer

1146
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:19,760
you give up an energy right the computer

1147
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:23,040
the computer and even albert einstein he

1148
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,599
said

1149
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,160
everything is energy and it's you can't

1150
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:28,560
destroy it it continues it's there

1151
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:32,720
all the time and you have an energy

1152
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,520
if i if we met in real life you would

1153
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,640
know

1154
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,880
instinctively your subconscious would

1155
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,000
know whether

1156
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,280
we got on because your

1157
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,000
magnetic field your aura as they call it

1158
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:47,760
sometimes in spiritual

1159
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,119
terms your order would buff against mine

1160
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,000
so we would know immediately if we go on

1161
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,680
even if somebody's very polite

1162
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:58,079
and you know you still know

1163
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,359
instinctively

1164
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,960
if you're going to get on with somebody

1165
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,200
and that's because your magnetic field

1166
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,240
reacts with their magnetic field so

1167
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,720
everything around us the computer in

1168
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,680
front of you

1169
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,520
the chair that you sat on the room you

1170
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,280
sat in even the building

1171
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,760
everything has a magnetic field that

1172
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,599
reacts with that drill the magnetic

1173
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,240
field

1174
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,960
and this is happening around us all the

1175
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,240
time

1176
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,599
now if you think uh et

1177
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,160
are able to control this and understand

1178
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,000
it and manipulate it

1179
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,200
that is why they can just appear on the

1180
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:35,359
side of you wherever you are

1181
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:38,079
without being seen up until that point

1182
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,200
that is why

1183
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,359
people are floated out through the

1184
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:43,359
ceiling people have floated out through

1185
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,920
the wall

1186
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,400
a window and all or even a closed door

1187
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:47,760
for them

1188
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:50,800
because you're not on this record

1189
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,280
they've

1190
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:54,160
tuned you to the record above all two or

1191
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,200
three records above

1192
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,200
even and because they have the

1193
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,480
technology

1194
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,480
and the understanding to be able to do

1195
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,760
that we don't

1196
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:04,800
to it's

1197
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,720
what can i say it's not accepted by

1198
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,520
our normal scientific community because

1199
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,480
there's no

1200
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,359
proof you cannot prove it or at the

1201
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,599
moment we cannot prove it

1202
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:19,920
and i think we're getting closer we are

1203
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:20,800
oh yeah

1204
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:23,760
yes i think so too it's so i think

1205
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:24,480
that's why

1206
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,920
over the years uh things have

1207
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,240
developed shall we say from the 1950s

1208
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,319
and 60s and

1209
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:35,440
george adamski and elizabeth clara and

1210
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:36,640
those sorts of

1211
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,880
uh contactees to more present day ones

1212
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:43,599
because you have to think on et moves on

1213
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:44,160
as well

1214
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,760
as we do and we have much more

1215
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,280
technologically understand

1216
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,319
understanding than we used to have um

1217
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:55,440
but also it's if you go back to

1218
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:00,000
when i mentioned earlier about the uh

1219
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,560
bettering yourself and your improvement

1220
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,839
in your life

1221
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:05,920
by your own efforts and your own

1222
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,319
thoughts because each thought

1223
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,440
is actually an energy your brain works

1224
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:13,119
off electrical energy

1225
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:15,599
it don't it there's no hard-wired

1226
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,520
discord anything in there

1227
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,560
it's done off electrical impulses and

1228
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,839
electrical energy

1229
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,319
so every thought you have and the

1230
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:26,160
intention behind it

1231
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:29,760
is a wave that e.t can measure

1232
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,560
i mean we sort of can look at it in the

1233
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:33,680
very basics with

1234
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,800
eegs that we have now but

1235
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:39,280
we don't necessarily understand all of

1236
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,839
it we'll be sort of scratching the

1237
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,560
surface where

1238
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,359
i believe e.t are absolute masters and

1239
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,640
do understand it

1240
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,200
and that is why we remember things

1241
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:50,880
differently you get abductees that will

1242
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,680
remember

1243
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,280
oh there was a vehicle at the side of

1244
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,280
their own all like remember

1245
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,680
owl an owl in a tree and you do get that

1246
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:58,800
quite often

1247
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,000
and what tends to happen is they can

1248
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:05,520
if you like substitute a more acceptable

1249
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:06,640
memory

1250
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,839
to something that would be more

1251
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:10,560
frightening

1252
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,640
the well i'll give you an example um

1253
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,480
yeah again it was an investigation i did

1254
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:19,200
tribute for in 95

1255
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,480
where four adults were abducted

1256
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:25,359
and it was two boys uh two men two women

1257
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:26,559
two couples

1258
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,680
and one of the men said i can remember

1259
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,920
there being a very strange atmosphere

1260
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:32,880
and

1261
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,920
the whole of the evening just isn't

1262
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,920
the remembering isn't correct is i can

1263
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,119
remember thinking

1264
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:41,119
why is it dark how has it got dark so

1265
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:42,319
quickly

1266
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:45,520
and he said if you normally think about

1267
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:46,240
things

1268
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,880
your mind will i know you don't remember

1269
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,880
every detail and your mind will fill in

1270
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:53,280
the gaps but he said where you would

1271
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,920
normally

1272
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,680
if you're going to liken it to a

1273
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,520
videotape where

1274
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,520
you should be able to remember things

1275
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,640
reasonably

1276
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:03,040
chronologically and with detail from

1277
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,400
different parts of it

1278
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,160
depending on what made an impression at

1279
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:08,800
the time but he said it was completely

1280
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,359
different

1281
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:11,440
that night that they were abducted and

1282
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,400
he said it was like

1283
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,680
the videotape had been taken out it had

1284
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:17,680
been cut up into pieces

1285
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,480
many of the pieces have been discarded

1286
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,800
and the ones that had been put back

1287
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,359
were some or often in the wrong order

1288
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:27,040
and i thought that was a very good way

1289
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:27,520
of

1290
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,440
describing it honest yeah very

1291
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:34,480
very honest way of describing it and i

1292
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:35,359
think

1293
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,359
it comes to experiences

1294
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,760
and in reality how widespread the ufo

1295
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,520
phenomenon really is which is something

1296
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,040
you delve in your book

1297
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,520
which is my opinion as well i love how

1298
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:48,079
uh

1299
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,240
l-i-t-s

1300
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,880
lights in the sky lits i love that i

1301
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,359
wasn't familiar with that terminology

1302
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:00,000
and something in your book i had never

1303
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:01,280
directly looked at

1304
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,720
was the persian carpet glyph as binary

1305
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:06,960
code and even depicting dna

1306
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:10,319
can we go into that a little bit sure

1307
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,839
that was the um the arecibo

1308
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:17,760
observatory i'd put out

1309
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,520
like we do put things out into space

1310
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,720
uh like voyager that went out and what

1311
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:26,640
they did was

1312
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,680
put out a binary code with

1313
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,760
very similar to what went out on voyager

1314
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:32,800
but this was done by

1315
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,319
radio telescope and they basically put a

1316
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,960
thing out of our makeup of the universe

1317
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:40,480
the planets

1318
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:43,520
what we were and some of our dna and

1319
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,640
a sort of a picture of a shall we say

1320
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,800
the typical human face

1321
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,440
uh very androgynous but it was just in

1322
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:52,640
basic

1323
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,160
um binary form and then

1324
00:50:03,030 --> 00:49:59,680
the i can't remember how much later

1325
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:03,040
the um we got back at one of

1326
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:06,960
our back in the uk um

1327
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,839
uh a sort of an answer and it was in the

1328
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:11,839
form of a

1329
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,880
rectangular crop circle

1330
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:17,119
now i said crop circle but it was a crop

1331
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:18,319
rectangle

1332
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,760
but it was an answer to

1333
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,319
what we had put out in radio waves and

1334
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:26,000
it's a comeback in binary code

1335
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:30,480
however the shall we say androgynous

1336
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:33,599
human face was changed for any t

1337
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,880
phase the dna had been changed and the

1338
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,440
planetary setup had been changed

1339
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,359
and they said at the time that unless

1340
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:42,880
you were

1341
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:46,160
really into binary code and completely

1342
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,200
understood it

1343
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,839
it would have been very difficult for

1344
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,079
anybody to have

1345
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:55,119
hoaxed the right

1346
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:58,720
um i won't say crop circles but crop

1347
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,359
rectangle now it was called the persian

1348
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:03,200
carpet at the time because of the shape

1349
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:03,760
of it

1350
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:06,960
and the way that it looked and it was

1351
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:10,480
this is another one of those odd things

1352
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:14,240
that tend to get swept under the carpet

1353
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,760
tend to get uh what can i say ridiculed

1354
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:20,319
by the mainstream media because people

1355
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,200
don't

1356
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,160
understand or are not aware of it they

1357
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,760
just think oh yeah somebody's just

1358
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,359
done that and they're not bothering them

1359
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,359
they just dismiss it

1360
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,160
and i think that's true of a lot on the

1361
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:33,599
paranormal

1362
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:37,839
and mainstream science at the moment

1363
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:42,079
um unfortunately severely lacking

1364
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:45,440
because we we are finding it very

1365
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:47,040
difficult to find proof

1366
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:50,240
of any of it for proof of ufos proof

1367
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:51,520
venitin liver

1368
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,800
proof or bigfoot proof of spirit or

1369
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:56,000
ghosts

1370
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,280
um and it's just some because

1371
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:01,440
it's not on our plane because it's not

1372
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,800
on our record

1373
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,800
and because we are with our normal

1374
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,640
scientific instrumentation at the moment

1375
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,880
are unable to record it

1376
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,800
it's just not given the credence that it

1377
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,400
should be correct

1378
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:14,800
correct just because it's french it

1379
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,440
seems like

1380
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:18,079
just the fringeness of it takes away

1381
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:18,640
something

1382
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,800
interesting is you know this stuff has

1383
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,240
been going on forever you

1384
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:28,160
in your book you actually mentioned in

1385
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:31,839
19 let me see 1996 the american

1386
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,880
entertainer bob white aka robert lee

1387
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,800
went public with a story on how he

1388
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,200
obtained a piece of metal that was

1389
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,960
discharged from a ufo

1390
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,280
and yet here we are still dealing with

1391
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,880
meta materials

1392
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:47,520
and uh it's so amazing how the time

1393
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:48,559
changes

1394
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:51,920
but the quandary remains the same

1395
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:54,160
yeah and he i mean he's not alone that

1396
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,119
there are others

1397
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,520
apart from bob that that have found

1398
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,200
these metals

1399
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:02,240
and been analyzed and then yeah

1400
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,440
okay so what and it's

1401
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,079
really really difficult i mean the

1402
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,240
people that

1403
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,920
again it's very subjective and you have

1404
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,440
to be there

1405
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,400
but there are sightings where well just

1406
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:18,079
right we'll take one for their arguments

1407
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:18,559
say

1408
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,960
the jerusalem uf over the dome of the

1409
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:23,920
rocket jerusalem

1410
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,240
okay now have you seen that video

1411
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,280
it's earth shattering

1412
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,400
earth it's like amazing yeah now what

1413
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:35,839
happened there

1414
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:40,839
um i've been to the dorm of the rock of

1415
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,359
jerusalem and i've actually stood where

1416
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:46,160
some of the video was taken i need to go

1417
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:47,440
my wife and i went there

1418
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,720
on a on a trip we're very fortunate

1419
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,480
we did the via dolorosa and all the

1420
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,400
touristy bits but it for me

1421
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:57,040
was nice to be in the place where these

1422
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,559
videos were taken from when you could

1423
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,400
see their perspective

1424
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:02,960
and in total now there are six different

1425
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,680
videos

1426
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,599
that have come to light from different

1427
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:07,839
groups of people not connected

1428
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,670
what's it called time-lapse camera that

1429
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:15,119
was taken from

1430
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:18,720
jerusalem's own weather station and

1431
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:22,319
then as a way of discrediting it

1432
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:23,839
of course of course because they always

1433
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:26,960
have filmmakers made one with cgi

1434
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,559
and guess what cnn in their wisdom

1435
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,720
out of all the films that were available

1436
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,720
the enemy he was the one that was

1437
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,079
have been hoaxed with cgi and it's like

1438
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,799
why do they do this you know when you've

1439
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:42,240
got something like that where you may

1440
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,040
have

1441
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:45,119
six or seven different recordings from

1442
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:46,400
different places

1443
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,839
you may have 100 200 different witnesses

1444
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:51,520
that are all saying the same thing so

1445
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,040
you've got photography

1446
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,440
video eyewitness accounts because at the

1447
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,880
end of the day you have to look at all

1448
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:58,960
the corroborative evidence as well

1449
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:02,000
and you've got all that and then cnn

1450
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,119
just put the one on

1451
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,319
that somebody put in just to put doubt

1452
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,880
in people's minds it makes you wonder

1453
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:10,480
sometimes doesn't it like if they're

1454
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:11,280
trying to

1455
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:16,880
along with a particular narrative

1456
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,640
yeah that's correct and a question

1457
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,000
something amazing the ma

1458
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,240
it's it's made strangely with material

1459
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,920
pulled from it another thing i'm pulling

1460
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:29,839
from your book that i was unaware of

1461
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:33,200
this stone rock depicting well moon

1462
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,319
phases it spins when a magnet is near it

1463
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,799
another alien artifact in general where

1464
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,040
do you sit with alien artifacts

1465
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,839
and the and and you do touch on it the

1466
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,559
alien astronaut theory

1467
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,119
yeah well i think they've you see if you

1468
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,880
think about it the the

1469
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,280
the term itself was coined i suppose by

1470
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:54,880
eric von daniken

1471
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,880
right and the ancient astronauts

1472
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,359
for us the astronaut was only coming

1473
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,960
recently

1474
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,720
if you can imagine there were sky gods

1475
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:06,720
for the american indians

1476
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:09,440
or star people i should say sky gods for

1477
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:10,880
central america

1478
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:14,480
and it's the same story the world

1479
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:17,760
over so

1480
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:21,280
again it's putting credence to it

1481
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,559
which uh is very difficult to prove

1482
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:26,000
but when you have these different

1483
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:27,760
nations of people that don't know each

1484
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:28,400
other

1485
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,760
but they're all coming up with very

1486
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,119
similar stories

1487
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:36,319
of sky people sky gods whatever you want

1488
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:38,319
to call them

1489
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:42,839
coming down and interacting with them

1490
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:45,920
yes some kind of uh

1491
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:48,720
well it's unique information coming

1492
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:49,599
through

1493
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,760
and it's made strangely usually

1494
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:56,319
and your book touches on so much other

1495
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:57,200
than your book

1496
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,880
coming from one of my very favorite

1497
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,559
booksellers the flying disc

1498
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:03,119
press let's even though we're a little

1499
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:04,319
bit ahead of it i know we're getting

1500
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,799
close

1501
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:07,200
on time and in conclusion tell our

1502
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,839
listeners

1503
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,520
where they can find all your unique

1504
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:11,200
information your book

1505
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,640
and possibly ufo merchandise

1506
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:17,520
yep well it's all available or from

1507
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:18,480
flying disk

1508
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,000
press it's available on the internet

1509
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:25,119
my book ufos the real story is out on

1510
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,319
amazon

1511
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,839
as a paperback as an ebook

1512
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,079
and i believe it could be from today or

1513
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:34,000
tomorrow it's very shortly anyway

1514
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:37,359
it's also available on audiobook

1515
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:40,880
so cool and what a good read i like

1516
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,319
how it's so personalized the book

1517
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:47,200
and all of oh you know i i couldn't i

1518
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,480
couldn't put it down

1519
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:51,040
and it sounds like a long laundry list

1520
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,240
but

1521
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,480
i pulled a lot of things from your book

1522
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,480
and it's just done properly

1523
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:59,119
the the way it's the way you did it it's

1524
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,160
just great

1525
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:02,880
very personal very personal experiences

1526
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,599
and you avoid

1527
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:05,200
all of the pitfalls that i think a lot

1528
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,119
of the scientific more scientific books

1529
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:12,240
fall into yeah well i think what i've

1530
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:12,880
tried to do

1531
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,400
is because it's personal experiences

1532
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,799
and it's just my explanations of it i

1533
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,079
will say quite

1534
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,680
upfront straight away i'm not a

1535
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,359
scientist i'm not

1536
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,920
an expert these are just my experiences

1537
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:27,920
and these are my conclusions that i'd

1538
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,960
come to

1539
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:31,280
but uh as i say in the book i'm a

1540
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,069
right this is a quick money for me um

1541
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:39,520
please where we

1542
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,040
uh as a child the we used to walk out as

1543
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,040
a teenager i used to walk past

1544
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:47,280
the spiritualist church which was about

1545
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,240
100 yards

1546
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,240
from our home so when i'm going out to

1547
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:52,160
meet my friends to go out on a night or

1548
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,960
anything else

1549
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,200
i used to have to walk past the church

1550
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,079
now we had attended when i was younger

1551
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:00,559
but my parents went but i didn't as

1552
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,760
teenagers

1553
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,480
church tends to take a seat and other

1554
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,119
things like motorcycles and cars and

1555
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:10,319
girls and everything else sport all of a

1556
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,000
greater priority and one day i'm walking

1557
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,839
past the church and there's this old guy

1558
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:18,000
stood outside smoking a cigarette in a

1559
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,040
three-piece suit

1560
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:21,280
by the way and he stood outside as i'm

1561
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:22,240
walking by

1562
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:25,520
i didn't know him at all as far as i can

1563
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,160
recollect

1564
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:28,319
never seen him before in my life and he

1565
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,119
said paul are you going in it

1566
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,040
i don't know this guy knows me but maybe

1567
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,520
he knows my parents i don't know

1568
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,559
so i walked up to him uh and he said

1569
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,559
just a moment and he got this

1570
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,559
dirty piece of paper out of his pocket

1571
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,839
and a little pen and he

1572
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,280
he wrote something on it and then he

1573
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,119
showed me the piece of paper

1574
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,520
and he'd just written the three letters

1575
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,960
ufo

1576
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:53,359
so i have looked at him thinking how in

1577
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:55,599
the world because my parents didn't know

1578
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,000
that i was really into ufos that much

1579
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,400
you know i was an avid reader but

1580
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,960
that as a as you were aware all

1581
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:04,000
teenagers

1582
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,799
tend to live their own lives and only

1583
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,599
sort of

1584
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:10,079
what can i say the parents are

1585
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:11,359
uninvolved when they want them to be

1586
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,839
involved

1587
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:14,079
yep yep but anyway so he'd written ufo

1588
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,000
when he showed me this and then he said

1589
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,200
uh spirit have told me to

1590
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,680
show you this and just to let you know

1591
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,440
that you're thinking along the right

1592
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:24,960
lines

1593
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:27,920
now this sort of blew my mind at that

1594
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:28,960
time because

1595
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:32,400
i didn't know this guy nobody including

1596
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:33,119
my parents

1597
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,160
could know what i was thinking or the

1598
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,760
research and the books that i were

1599
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,280
reading and all the rest of it

1600
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,119
so for the complete strangers to come

1601
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:43,040
and do this and say

1602
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:45,040
i think you think you know what spirits

1603
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:46,079
are telling me that you're thinking on

1604
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:47,119
the right lines

1605
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:51,040
was uh i think everything

1606
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:52,640
happens for the reason in your life

1607
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:55,280
there's no such thing as coincidence

1608
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,200
and i firmly believe that everything

1609
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:58,799
happens for the reason

1610
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,839
and when the time is right things will

1611
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,079
happen in your life you will be steered

1612
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,960
in the right direction and this was so

1613
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:08,160
cool

1614
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,440
i love it and i hate to take any more of

1615
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:13,119
your time but one i have to ask you

1616
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:13,599
about

1617
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,240
just another little tantalizing tidbit

1618
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:17,839
so people buy your book because it's

1619
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:18,240
worth

1620
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,440
every penny the monk at the pub

1621
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,119
that you mentioned in the book oh my

1622
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,960
gosh what a story

1623
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,960
these things i just want to go into

1624
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,240
residual energies

1625
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,799
and really quick how does this happen

1626
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,920
how does this happen is it

1627
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:34,000
i think you're you're well you explain

1628
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,760
it and i just i'll let you kind of get

1629
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:37,040
to it

1630
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:40,559
yeah well they i um occasionally

1631
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:43,359
used to go to a local club where in an

1632
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,040
old old village there was

1633
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:47,760
a big it was selby and there was selby

1634
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,480
abbey

1635
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,720
which is a huge old gothic structure

1636
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:52,640
from about 1180

1637
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,720
so very very old and there was

1638
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,160
i can't remember the name but anyway

1639
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,240
were these monks that inhabited the

1640
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,799
and the cloisters at the side were built

1641
01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:04,000
from this old

1642
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,039
honeycolored stone beautiful stone

1643
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,440
all served all you know finished

1644
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:10,799
beautifully and

1645
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:14,640
the when it was dismantled and after

1646
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:17,920
king henry uh dissolved the minute the

1647
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:21,280
most of the what can i say

1648
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:23,839
religious background of the british

1649
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,200
people

1650
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:27,359
the stone was just left in rumbling

1651
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:28,480
piles

1652
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:31,760
and people used it this it was

1653
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:35,839
a huge old rumbling public house come

1654
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,119
hotel

1655
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:39,359
uh come stables there were all sorts at

1656
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,240
the time

1657
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,559
and they were built out of the stone of

1658
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:44,880
this building out of the abbot

1659
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,000
and the people that worked there

1660
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:50,799
often said they have they had seen the

1661
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:51,280
ghost

1662
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:54,559
of the monk now i was there and i have

1663
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:55,440
to say

1664
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,200
hand omaha i never saw or felt anything

1665
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,240
however i find it quite logical that if

1666
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,480
for arguments say where where you live

1667
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:06,240
now ryan if you live there for

1668
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:09,760
i've lived where i live now for 25 years

1669
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:12,000
and if you live in one place now that

1670
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:12,960
monk could have been

1671
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,160
in his cell in his cloister his room for

1672
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,760
50 years

1673
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,880
so his energy that he's giving off his

1674
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:21,920
frequency

1675
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,280
is being implanted if you like and being

1676
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:27,280
picked up by the fabric of the stones

1677
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:28,400
around him

1678
01:03:34,829 --> 01:03:31,599
so therefore for me it's quite logical

1679
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,839
that even 200 years later in the right

1680
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:36,240
circumstances

1681
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:39,440
somebody could pick up that frequency

1682
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:42,480
and know that a monk had lived within

1683
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:43,680
those stones

1684
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:46,240
now to me that is a ghost because

1685
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,079
there's no spirit there

1686
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:50,319
it is just the impression of the energy

1687
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:51,760
that they're picking up

1688
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:54,880
if that makes sense it does

1689
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,359
it's chilling and i think that's a good

1690
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,280
way to conclude it you're

1691
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,039
you know i can't thank you enough for

1692
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:03,359
being here but i will try

1693
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,280
you're the man and i adore your

1694
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:07,119
contribution to the field from across

1695
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,160
the pond

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and i highly recommend all my listeners

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keep up with yourself

1698
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and the flying disc press always great

1699
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:15,839
new information

1700
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:19,359
and uh thanks again for being here paul

1701
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,520
you're more than welcome any time ryan

1702
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:23,119
i've really enjoyed it

1703
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,119
all right take care i hope we talk soon

1704
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,359
and until next time uh keep your eyes to

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the skies my man

1706
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yeah that's what everybody should be

1707
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doing thank you ryan you take care

1708
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:41,910
there you have it paul askoff he's the

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i i swear the way the flying disc press

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01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:45,119
brings

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01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,839
all these unique authors informations

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books

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merchandise that the way they bring

1714
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,480
listeners together and

1715
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,880
uh people with unique experiences it's

1716
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:56,480
slightly different

1717
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:00,319
to our own because it is in the uk but

1718
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,200
something that we need to really take

1719
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:05,119
advantage of because the contributions

1720
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are there

1721
01:05:09,430 --> 01:05:08,880
and there's so many of them and uh well

1722
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,440
anyway

1723
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:11,200
keep up with the flying disc press i

1724
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:12,480
thank philip mantle

1725
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:15,280
paul askoff what an amazing contribution

1726
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:16,400
this book is

1727
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,160
pick it up keep your eyes to the skies

1728
01:05:37,710 --> 01:05:22,640
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1729
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:37,720
take a look around

1730
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,589
hey before you blast off don't forget to

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go to heroparanormal.com

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hit that button and drop a contribution